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Re: User roles and UI



While I don't see problems with random UMO browsing so far,
I have listed numerous obstacles to implementation of "studying"
of stand-alone UMOs. I do not want to repeat them again.

Anatoly Volynets wrote:
> What kind of problems? It is pity we need to start it over.
>
> I understand that shopping for a stand alone UMO will be very attractive
> feature. It is specifically so until administrative functions are not
> here, because all kinds of diplomas are additional reasons to take
> courses while our audience supposedly is looking mostly for knowledge.
>
> Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
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>> We didn't reach any conclusion yet. At least I'm still not convinced it
>> is good idea to allow any UMO to be stand-alone. I see too many problems
>> with that.
>>
>> Anatoly Volynets wrote:
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>>> "At this point we were talking about a student studying UMO without
>>> regard to which course it is part of." --I'm quoting you and wonder what we reached in this regard.
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>>> Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
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>>>> No, we agreed that there can be a "through problem" UMO with
>>>> solution control type "none".
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>>>> Anatoly Volynets wrote:
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>>>>> OK, so we agreed that any UMO can be studied separately from the
>>>>> Repository? Regarding humanly controlled problems and other UMOs if any,
>>>>> a user, in this case does not get any feedback and gets proper
>>>>> notification, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
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>>>>>> For problems that are meant for that - sure - have one with solution
>>>>>> control type "none".
>>>>>> For normal problems - where there is a solution, they have to be part
>>>>>> of some other object to be solved, in order to be controlled properly
>>>>>> (whether it is a course, a "through problem", contest, or something
>>>>>> else), as these objects will have "controllers" assigned to them
>>>>>> (teachers, contest runners, etc.).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, nothing prevents student from looking at a problem, and trying
>>>>>> to solve it on paper. It's just will not be reflected in our application in
>>>>>> any way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anatoly Volynets wrote:
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>>>>>>> The User decides whether he wants to mess up with the problem.  He  can 
>>>>>>> contact the Author. What else?
>>>>>>> I just got an idea that some problem lovers (to create and to solve)
>>>>>>> would never bother to supply or to wonder about answer or solution. They
>>>>>>> would prefer to think and talk about it as much as they need until they
>>>>>>> solve it or get it in communication, just like artists. So, as a matter
>>>>>>> of opinion, I suggest one more problem control type--none.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Problems without solutions happens in the history of science regularly,
>>>>>>> they move it ahead. The great Fermat theorem (any equation X^n + Y^n=C,
>>>>>>> where n - integer>2, cannot be solved in integers) was written by him on
>>>>>>> margins of a book with the note that he found an admirable proof, but
>>>>>>> the margin is too narrow to write it down. The theorem is not proved by
>>>>>>> now, and thousands of mathematicians  have passionately been working on
>>>>>>> it for more than 300 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
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>>>>>>>> And what happens next?
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>>>>>>>> Anatoly Volynets wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> Let it be that such kind of a problem, while in the Repository, is not
>>>>>>>>> controlled and notifies the Student about it.
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>>>>>>>>> Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> At this point we were talking about a student studying UMO without
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Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
Total Knowledge. CTO
http://www.total-knowledge.com


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