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Re: User roles and UI
What kind of problems? It is pity we need to start it over.
I understand that shopping for a stand alone UMO will be very attractive
feature. It is specifically so until administrative functions are not
here, because all kinds of diplomas are additional reasons to take
courses while our audience supposedly is looking mostly for knowledge.
Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
> We didn't reach any conclusion yet. At least I'm still not convinced it
> is good idea to allow any UMO to be stand-alone. I see too many problems
> with that.
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> Anatoly Volynets wrote:
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>> "At this point we were talking about a student studying UMO without
>> regard to which course it is part of." --I'm quoting you and wonder what we reached in this regard.
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>> Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
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>>> No, we agreed that there can be a "through problem" UMO with
>>> solution control type "none".
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>>> Anatoly Volynets wrote:
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>>>> OK, so we agreed that any UMO can be studied separately from the
>>>> Repository? Regarding humanly controlled problems and other UMOs if any,
>>>> a user, in this case does not get any feedback and gets proper
>>>> notification, right?
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>>>> Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
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>>>>> For problems that are meant for that - sure - have one with solution
>>>>> control type "none".
>>>>> For normal problems - where there is a solution, they have to be part
>>>>> of some other object to be solved, in order to be controlled properly
>>>>> (whether it is a course, a "through problem", contest, or something
>>>>> else), as these objects will have "controllers" assigned to them
>>>>> (teachers, contest runners, etc.).
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, nothing prevents student from looking at a problem, and trying
>>>>> to solve it on paper. It's just will not be reflected in our application in
>>>>> any way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anatoly Volynets wrote:
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>>>>>> The User decides whether he wants to mess up with the problem. He can
>>>>>> contact the Author. What else?
>>>>>> I just got an idea that some problem lovers (to create and to solve)
>>>>>> would never bother to supply or to wonder about answer or solution. They
>>>>>> would prefer to think and talk about it as much as they need until they
>>>>>> solve it or get it in communication, just like artists. So, as a matter
>>>>>> of opinion, I suggest one more problem control type--none.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Problems without solutions happens in the history of science regularly,
>>>>>> they move it ahead. The great Fermat theorem (any equation X^n + Y^n=C,
>>>>>> where n - integer>2, cannot be solved in integers) was written by him on
>>>>>> margins of a book with the note that he found an admirable proof, but
>>>>>> the margin is too narrow to write it down. The theorem is not proved by
>>>>>> now, and thousands of mathematicians have passionately been working on
>>>>>> it for more than 300 years.
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>>>>>> Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
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>>>>>>> And what happens next?
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>>>>>>> Anatoly Volynets wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Let it be that such kind of a problem, while in the Repository, is not
>>>>>>>> controlled and notifies the Student about it.
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>>>>>>>> Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
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Anatoly Volynets, Co-Founder
total-knowledge.com
culturedialogue.org