Re: User roles and UI

["Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh" <ilya@total-knowledge.com>]

We didn't reach any conclusion yet. At least I'm still not convinced it
is good idea to allow any UMO to be stand-alone. I see too many problems
with that.

Anatoly Volynets wrote:
> "At this point we were talking about a student studying UMO without
> regard to which course it is part of." --I'm quoting you and wonder what we reached in this regard.
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> Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
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>> No, we agreed that there can be a "through problem" UMO with
>> solution control type "none".
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>> Anatoly Volynets wrote:
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>>> OK, so we agreed that any UMO can be studied separately from the
>>> Repository? Regarding humanly controlled problems and other UMOs if any,
>>> a user, in this case does not get any feedback and gets proper
>>> notification, right?
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>>> Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
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>>>> For problems that are meant for that - sure - have one with solution
>>>> control type "none".
>>>> For normal problems - where there is a solution, they have to be part
>>>> of some other object to be solved, in order to be controlled properly
>>>> (whether it is a course, a "through problem", contest, or something
>>>> else), as these objects will have "controllers" assigned to them
>>>> (teachers, contest runners, etc.).
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>>>> Now, nothing prevents student from looking at a problem, and trying
>>>> to solve it on paper. It's just will not be reflected in our application in
>>>> any way.
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>>>>> The User decides whether he wants to mess up with the problem.  He  can 
>>>>> contact the Author. What else?
>>>>> I just got an idea that some problem lovers (to create and to solve)
>>>>> would never bother to supply or to wonder about answer or solution. They
>>>>> would prefer to think and talk about it as much as they need until they
>>>>> solve it or get it in communication, just like artists. So, as a matter
>>>>> of opinion, I suggest one more problem control type--none.
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>>>>> Problems without solutions happens in the history of science regularly,
>>>>> they move it ahead. The great Fermat theorem (any equation X^n + Y^n=C,
>>>>> where n - integer>2, cannot be solved in integers) was written by him on
>>>>> margins of a book with the note that he found an admirable proof, but
>>>>> the margin is too narrow to write it down. The theorem is not proved by
>>>>> now, and thousands of mathematicians  have passionately been working on
>>>>> it for more than 300 years.
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>>>>>>> Let it be that such kind of a problem, while in the Repository, is not
>>>>>>> controlled and notifies the Student about it.
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>>>>>>>> At this point we were talking about a student studying UMO without
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Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
Total Knowledge. CTO
http://www.total-knowledge.com