Re:

[Anatoly Volynets <av@total-knowledge.com>]

Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
> What do you mean "barely usable"?
> Author of a course should set DL of objects within his course,
> since he decides which audience he is targeting and which
> difficulty levels are appropriate for which objects for this
> audience.
>
>   

I believe the same author has to have an ability to set DL among his own
courses.
Regarding voting I believe it was said already that DL is only one point
there and I agree.

> Now, voted DL is a separate thing, and I think we should implement
> generic voting mechanism, not just "voting for DL".
>
>
> Anatoly Volynets wrote:
>   
>> There was not consensus, because I did not agree. It looks barely usable
>> this way.
>>
>> sergey@total-knowledge.com wrote:
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>>> I sow that in Ilya's message in Difficulty Level topic. See below
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>>>>> 2. This same UMO DL in the course or among courses by the same Author,
>>>>> set by the Author.
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>>>> It seems that common consensus is that object DL should be bound to
>>>> course. I guess
>>>> we'll go with it then.
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>>>> --
>>>> Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
>>>> Total Knowledge. CTO
>>>> http://www.total-knowledge.com
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>>>> I don't remember that agreement, but I need two part difficulty level
>>>> (one part set for Repository by community, another  set within the
>>>> course or between courses of this author by this author) as I described
>>>> it.
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>>> I was talking about Author's part of difficulty level in DB schema, not
>>> Repository's.
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>>>> sergey@total-knowledge.com wrote:
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>>>>> If i understood it correctly, we agreed that difficulty level should be
>>>>> bound to a Course. Imho it's reflected in the latest DB schema.
>>>>>
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>>>>>> I have added study_course, study_course_acl, and study_course_payment
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> support our discussion results.
>>>>>> However - I'm not really sure if the relation between topic (TLT) and
>>>>>> study_course is right. Currently, top-level-topic owns course. The
>>>>>> alternative is - course owns all the topics inside.
>>>>>> Also, I'm not sure yet how to control access to payments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2006/12/14, sergey@total-knowledge.com <sergey@total-knowledge.com>:
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>>>>>>>>>> 3. Assign Course or any other UMO within a Course to a Student.
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> What that means? Recommendation or administration? If latter - see
>>>>>>>>> above.
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>>>>>>>> I'd like to know that too :)
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>>>>>>> For example, assign a Problem to a Student
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> 4. Set grades(ratings) to a Student.
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>>>>>>>>> Same story. We don't have grades in specs.
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>>>>>>>> We do have some ideas at least as far as grading problem solving
>>>>>>>> goes.
>>>>>>>> Most of it is automatic, but at least some is human-controlled. I
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>>>>>>> don't
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>>>>>>>> care too much about grading abilities, but we'll need it eventually.
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>>>>>>> We
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>>>>>>>> need better definition though. Or at least some definition, since
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>>>>>>> there
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>>>>>>>> really isn't anything specific in the spec.
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>>>>>>>>>> 5. Assign Students to certain difficulty levels within a
>>>>>>>>>> Course.(Student
>>>>>>>>>> will be able to see only UMOs of certain difficulty level)
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> All the same. It is all for student's discretion as of today.  We
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> probably think about some specific channels where students can find
>>>>>>>>> recommendations not from teacher only. I am not sure there is need
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>>>>>>> for
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>>>>>>>>> this. We can discuss it though.
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>>>>>>>>>> 6. Ability to change any UMO difficulty level within a Course(No
>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>> version should be created)
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>> np
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>>>>>>>> No. Difficulty levels are author's responsibility.
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>>>>>>>>>> 7. Sets the price for a Course
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> It is necessary feature. I believe we have it in specs.
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>>>>>>>> Teacher or Author?
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>>>>>>> Teacher sets the price, students buy it. Author? I don't know how
>>>>>>> authors
>>>>>>> make money, maybe teachers buy courses from authors then sell it to
>>>>>>> students? No need to teach anything, just make a couple of
>>>>>>> transactions.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> 8. Chooses his prefered language(s) for the Course from the list of
>>>>>>>>>> available languages for this Course.
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>>>>>>>> Preferred for what? Expand on this please.
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>>>>>>> I mean his language(pl_preferred_language column in person_list
>>>>>>> table).
>>>>>>> Course may have several languages available, Author selects the one he
>>>>>>> speaks. You don't want, for example, students send an Author problems
>>>>>>> solutions in language different from the one he speaks.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> 9. Ability to hide(not update) from Student certain UMOs in the
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>> Course
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>>>>>>>>>> that he teaches.
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>>>>>>>>> Don't need it. Actually, there is one more issue here postponed for
>>>>>>>>> future versions: work flow. It relates to administration, but not
>>>>>>>>> entirely.
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>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
>>>>>>>> Total Knowledge. CTO
>>>>>>>> http://www.total-knowledge.com
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alexey Parshin,
>>>>>> http://www.sptk.net
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>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Anatoly Volynets, Co-Founder
>>>> total-knowledge.com
>>>> culturedialogue.org
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