Re: UU: Model-View-Controller

[Anatoly Volynets <av@total-knowledge.com>]

Off topic.

It's interesting that in our times even pure engineering problem never ends up in a perfect solution every
professional would like! Like geologists never can agree where shore line goes, mathematicians never agree what
a number is and, finally (or initially), philosophers never agree what a human being is.

Alexey, you know perfectly well that we appreciate your work and our cooperation and relationship in general.
I'm sure it will not take long till you'll be called :)

-Anatoly

Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
> I remember we discussed the issue on IRC, and I
> gave you go ahead, even though I didn't like the idea.
> Now, as I see what we ended up with, I see I was right.
> 
> I'll do the re-work of libui layer and themes, and
> we'll see how it works out.
> 
> Just don't take it personally :)
> 
>    Ilya.
> 
> Alexey Parshin wrote:
>> First, it isn't possible to satisfy this requirement for any <table>
>> object w/o generating it in servlet - you must have a C++ loop of some
>> kind.
>>
>> Second, the current approach to themes that uses plain HTML and very
>> little else (even JS) is more or less compatible with that
>> requirement. However, nobody designs site like this anymore (IMHO).
>> Any page that uses more or less high-level object provides objects
>> (Flex objects, for instance) with URLs for data access. And in that
>> case, current implementation is doing exactly what it should - data
>> modifications in servlet, and data display in CSP.
>>
>> And, finally, third. We discussed this some time ago. IIRC, it was
>> more or less - do it your way, and that I did. And as far as I can see
>> - it does the job correctly, it's fast and stable.
>>
>> I understand that you don't like the current implementation. Fine, but
>> I spent too much time on this code and can't just throw it away for
>> some idea I really don't like. It's your project after all. So, I
>> suggest - you redesign it yourself any way you like, and I would
>> gladly help with any DB issues that may popup. That is if you still
>> want my help. At this point, I'm taking a timeout till you need me.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alex
>>
>> 2008/12/19 Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh <ilya@total-knowledge.com
>> <mailto:ilya@total-knowledge.com>>
>>
>>     The original theming requirement:
>>     Themes should be designable _without_ the need for
>>     C++ knowledge.
>>     The way CSPs look now, there is pretty much nothing but C++.
>>
>>
> 

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